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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 4:16am

So angry

You have lost a lot of support today, the games steam forum is angry as well.

I bought the game digital download and have supported the game from the very beginning even through the disaster of a start and what do I get? Nothing ..

I have to buy the new For the Gods DLC. That stinks.

I bought the game, waited for it's release, waited through all the patches on a unfinished game and the developers decide to do this. What a bad decision from you.
It seems I'm not the only one with this point of view. See links below. :( X( :( :cursing:

Why do only the Boxed version owners get it for free????

We all supported you through the early days and you do this to us????
Your customers put up with a lot from this game in the early days and we stuck by you and the game and you return our support by doing this.


http://steamcommunity.com/app/237550/dis…32889140316606/

http://steamcommunity.com/app/237550/dis…32889203515357/

http://steamcommunity.com/app/237550/dis…32889117918554/

http://steamcommunity.com/app/237550/dis…32889102592200/

http://steamcommunity.com/app/237550/dis…32889255745044/

This post has been edited 8 times, last edit by "clet43" (Feb 8th 2014, 11:33pm)


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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 8:49am

It was a large PR mistake, and the way of handling this will cost some sales on international market and alienate a good part of English community(like everywhere non-German) who bought the game on Steam and waited through all these months for its completion. It is like saying that CE supporters are more deserving then digital buyers who pre-ordered as well. And their support seems irrelevant with such an attitude.

That is right, people have right to ask money for their work. But this is not the proper way to handle which creates disparity. This will offend many people, inevitably.

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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 9:49am

I agree. There is no better way asking for a Shitstorm than this.

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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 9:51am

Please apologize.
But who should pay for DLC(s) instead?

Please apologize.
But who should pay for DLC(s) instead?



I will NOT apologize for expressing an opinion.

To give some thing free to one group of buyers and not to another is just wrong !!
The digital buyers were there from the very beginning supporting the game & the developers and they have to pay while others who bought the game later in a box get the DLC for free???

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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 10:27am

I will NOT apologize for expressing an opinion.
He is a German player, he meant to say I think.

"Please excuse me. But who should pay for DLC(s) instead?" or "Sorry. But who should pay for DLC(s) instead?"

Or I see things from the good side. :D

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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 11:44am

Please apologize.


Google translate? :D

Ugralitan is right.
Core i5 2500K @ 4,2 Ghz / 8 GB DDR 1333 / NVidia GTX 770 / Samsung 830 Series 256 GB SSD / Windows 8.1 Pro 64bit

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Thursday, February 13th 2014, 10:58pm

Ignoring posts, to Bury your head in the sand or putting your hands over your ears and singing la,la,la,la,la,la does not make the problem go away.
Gamers have long memories.

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Friday, February 14th 2014, 10:24am

1) Nobody tells you to buy anything. It is an offer. Optional. If you want to play it. There is no obligation whatsoever to buy it, so you "have to" do exactly nothing.
2) The content is vanilla and was never intended for the main game, but for people who want more
3) You do get a DLC for free, it just isn't released yet, but will be so shortly. Free of Charge. For everyone.
4) There is already a myriad of additional stuff that was never in the original game, like about 30 conversations and encounters that can be found in the villages, an imman tournament in Thorwal you can even participate in, and there will be 7 new weapons, a complete rebalancing of monster and weapon values, additional features, druid dagger rituals and so on. So saying you get "nothing" for your support from the very beginning is one way of saying it, mine would be "if you don't want to see you get it, you won't".

Lets hope the gamers with the long memories actually remember what happened with this game, and not just want they choose to see.

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Friday, February 14th 2014, 11:15am

to buy this "DLC" should not be the topic of choice here in my opinion. You should rather ask why there is a so called "DLC" to buy before the vanilla game really is finished? So, what is the "DLC" that everyone gets with patch 1.33? it is not a question of THAT game especially. its a question about what a dlc really is. is it content of the main game sold later on as a dlc? or is it really something like an addon? but that is something i dont understand about dlcs in general.

@chris: it is also NOT a question of things that are NOT in the original game. its a remake - not a modern copy! that is just an unfair and not wanted answer.

but in the end....everybody involved in that game (developers AND buyers) have to do the best with it. to criticise each other is a path leading to the desert....where an oasis is only to be found with luck ;)

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Friday, February 14th 2014, 11:34am

I asked it on Steam, and I can ask it here again: What is "finished"? Why is it that everybody keeps claiming that the game is unfinished? It has bad combat models, granted, which we tried to improve by adding different magic effects, and we also removed those dreaded hand twisting errors. But we cannot magically make new combat models appear, they need to be produced, animated and textured. And from a technical point of view, the combat models were and are working. I cannot comment on the combat models and a possible replacement right now, as there is some workings going on which make a clear and definite statement impossible, so pondering around on them will be no use, neither here, nor in the german part of the forums, nor on Steam.

Good DLCs, and I claim For the Gods as well as the Free Expansion to be of that kind, are like the "Addons" of the last Century: They ADD to the game experience, they prolong it, they make it richer, but if you wouldn't know of their existence, nothing would be missing from the main game, as it is a closed and complete experience in and of itself. Bad ones are those that make the original game complete or playable or enjoyable in the first place, and make the main game feel "incomplete" or to use the favourite word here "unfinished".

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Friday, February 14th 2014, 11:36am

to me finished is patch 1.33

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Friday, February 14th 2014, 12:07pm

Truth hurts hey Chris !!!


"Lets hope the gamers with the long memories actually remember what happened with this game, and not just want they choose to see."

What happened was a the game was released when it was not finished and we are to thank you for that????????

yes game players do have long memories as the hate and refunds on this game show in the steam forums.

It seems that you just cannot take criticism.
The post was up for seven days and only now you reply because I said it was ignored & Gamers have long memories.

they do..


Releasing a DLC for free to one group of buyers and charging others is just wrong.
My links to others complaining in the original post shows that.
You do read the steam forums right?

This post has been edited 4 times, last edit by "clet43" (Feb 14th 2014, 12:40pm)


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Friday, February 14th 2014, 12:35pm

I asked it on Steam, and I can ask it here again: What is "finished"? Why is it that everybody keeps claiming that the game is unfinished? It has bad combat models,
Then how you can even ask that ? It is not finished, because your own advertisement "completely reworked graphics" has not been met yet ...,

Quoted

I cannot comment on the combat models and a possible replacement right
now, as there is some workings going on which make a clear and definite
statement impossible,
so may I wholeheartedly suggest to put the focus on that subject and at least bring it to a stage, where you can make a clear statement.
As you might have noticed, a lot of users do not even want to start the game with the current combat models. And are not really enthusiastic to read you have apparently focused on DLCs instead of this.

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Friday, February 14th 2014, 12:36pm

@game over: DLC is a vague topic because you really cannot discern whether it is a content which was initially aimed for the main game but to make money separated or content which has been created to provide richness to an already completed game. Good DLCs add upon the main game, bad DLCs make you feel sorry for not having them. In RoA remake's case, you don't feel bad for not having the DLC because they are not DLCs like for example Crusader Kings which locks some features and forces you to buy corresponding DLC to play with that feature. It really feels like the guys cut from the main game. But extra dungeons which did not exist before cannot be considered as cutting from the main game considering main game itself contains extra stuff on top of the original RoA content.

For this remake, one can tell you that "For the Gods" DLC is an "addon" which is not an obligation for main game but adds to the experience of it . Now, this game is not a "modern copy" merely. When you have the original content fully working, you can call it a "remake" with the additional enhancements you add. It is arguable whether it is a good remake or bad remake, but it deserves to be called as "remake".

Now the crucial part is on the table: To Be More Then A Remake.

Adding new content, features and fixing the downsides of originals falls into that category. For example Crafty mentioned Druid Dagger Rituals which did not exist in the originals but exists in world of Dark Eye. Probably a player will consider again whether to get a Druid or Mage, since both will have their own set of unique rituals to enhance playing style. Now if they could also add Witch Curses/Hexes, spellcaster choices would be even richer and more fun.

@clet43: Probably you cannot make a statement that they focused on DLC but disregarded Main Game enhancements. Some works can be done in parallel. And Battle Avatar issue is not a joking matter. It requires some serious effort after the game is fully stable in its current state. I'd rather prefer ugly and smooth figures instead beautiful but buggy figures which will break technical infrastructure of the battle.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "ugralitan" (Feb 14th 2014, 12:42pm)


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Friday, February 14th 2014, 12:59pm


Why is it that everybody keeps claiming that the game is unfinished? It has bad combat models, granted, which we tried to improve by adding different magic effects, and we also removed those dreaded hand twisting errors. But we cannot magically make new combat models appear, they need to be produced, animated and textured. And from a technical point of view, the combat models were and are working. I cannot comment on the combat models and a possible replacement right now, as there is some workings going on which make a clear and definite statement impossible, so pondering around on them will be no use, neither here, nor in the german part of the forums, nor on Steam.


I claim that the game is unfinished because I still cant stand playing it due to the terrible combat models. Apparently I'm not the only buyer having that problem. Check the German forums.

Most of us have been very patient and nobody asked you to simply make new combat models appear magically but we have been asking you from day one to do something about the terrible models. Hence, you had plenty of time to produce, animate and texture new combat models, it's not like the game has been out for two weeks.

You found the time to redo the 3D models for the townsfolk twice, to change the GUI (which wasn't necessary imho) and to add new music (also not really necessary). And you're trying to tell me that there weren't enough resources for better combat models, considered a necessity by many owners?

Furthermore, it's not a free to play remake, hence I'm not going to take things for granted. What was going on with you when you thought it a good idea to implement these modles in the first place? And where the hell did you get them from?

From a technical point of view the original game still works better than the remake. Why even bother with your version?

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